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Why fight over religion?

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December 1, 2012 in Politics


I simply don’t care~You can be an atheist, muslim, hindu, christian, wiccan, secular humanist or whatever (when I pass, I go wherever I go, I’m a big boy, I can handle it either way).  The first amendment of the Constitution guaranteed Americans freedom of religion along with freedom of speech so why are we getting sidelined by religious arguments?  Glenn Beck routinely pulls this stunt on his radio show, so I see it as a diversion.  The Globalists and their New World Order is the threat we collectively face so let’s address that and put everything else on the back burner for now, please.  Banks and Corporations OWN our politicians and have for decades, if not centuries and THAT is the main issue so let’s all keep our “eyes on the ball”~Spence

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9 responses to Why fight over religion?

  1. If we understood the true nature of our creation, all of our views would change dramatically~

  2. I realize a lot of folks have held their faiths throughout their lives, I was raised as a Lutheran myself but my parents split up and several years down the road, I gradually lost my religion. I feel it is a matter of individual choice and that the problem is that collectivism and coercion became the norm at some point versus having a grateful attitude for your existence. Eastern religions seem a bit better in some ways, but I simply choose not to participate in any belief system and to concentrate my energies into other endeavors~Spence

  3. The fight over religion is a fight over the moral code upon which a society’s laws are based. The assertion “you can’t legislate morals” is clearly irrational since morals are exactly what are legislated. The claim “you have no right to impose your will (or beliefs) on me” is likewise nonsense, but in addition to being a moral assertion, strikes at the crux of the balance between rights of the individual vs. those of the collective.
    The rules of order for a society are based upon some moral code and the moral code of western societies have tenets identical to those of religious philosophies, particularly Judeo-Christianity. (This borders on a tautology since all religious philosophies and codes originated from an attempt to establish societal order.) However, the question is: To what extent should the Christian (or other religious) code be encoded as societal laws?
    Practically everyone agrees that theft and wanton murder ought to be punishable crimes (Commandments 8 & 6, respectively). In contrast, although atheism (see Commandment 1) is considered a punishable crime in some parts of the world, no Western societies have it codified. And no one would seriously argue that jealousy (Commandment 10) should be punishable. (This is peculiar considering envy, especially class envy is toxic to societies and their economies that are ostensibly based on free-market capitalism which is the immediate manifestation of individual rights, liberties, and private property ownership.)

    These are black v. white choices – what of the gray ones? Adultery is illegal in some U.S. states. And though it superficially appears to be religious moralism (Commandment 7), even atheists can grasp that adultery destroys the 2-parent home, which has proven to be essential to societal stability. Even more contentious are abortion and homo-sex.

    So, what is our moral code, as expressed and enforced by laws, going to be and who is going to make that decision? People who claim to be Christian plainly point to the decline in the American nation and spirit as a consequence of an overall moral decline, but then self-righteously insist that the Christian moral code ought to be codified, not on it’s own merit, but because “it’s the word of God” or because “we will face judgement when Jesus returns”, neither of which is a rigorous validation. Atheists and skeptics rightly dismiss this irrationality and expose glaring hypocrisies in the modern “practice” of Christianity, like materialism, greed, and public worship, but then stop short of any counter-argument beyond the self-centered “if it feels good, do it”. They go on to deride and mock faith in a supreme being that is undetectable by the 6 senses then defend their moralism with claims of the science community, the truth and validity of which is taken completely on faith.
    In the end, there is no rigorous argument, just self righteous insults and rebukes. Back-and-forth, back-and-forth.

  4. Because atheists use logic to discredit religion but they don’t know that logic is untrustworthy. They also don’t acknowledge the failures of logic in our modern mass media and all the failures are swept under the rug.

    Their ultimate logic is that black holes exist and the Big Bang (a derivation of black hole logic) was created out of thin air, obviating the need for a creator.

    Stephen Crothers fought the black hole fraud and got kicked out of his study. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fsWKlNfQwJU#!

    Today in academic, one has no choice but to conform to prevailing system of science, no matter how wrong it is.

    It’s easy to know that religions enforce conformity but academic/science censures people as well, even on a grander scale than what was done by religion.

    • You have the wrong interpretation of logic, which is kind of a math language, used in computer code. It’s rock solid.

      Logic cannot prove or disprove god because humans could never fully comprehend any god, we are but mortal.

      You shouldn’t knock science before you try it, it cements many believer’s faith after all.

  5. Well it’s a core belief. Something people believe in strongly.
    If you thought that a person was a parent your entire life and on their death bed not only did they tell you you were wrong but they hated you as well. Well that’s kinda where you’re at with religion.
    Something you hold very dear.
    It’s something that gives people hope.
    It’s something that shapes who a person is.

    Now that’s not something people are just going to roll over and take most of the time.
    Like atheists constantly attacking the religious. People took it for so long, and now people can’t look the other way anymore.

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