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What If There Were Two Christopher Dorners Running Amuck?

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February 9, 2013 in Guns


What If There Were Two Christopher Dorners Running Amuck?

Let’s just pretend for a moment that Christopher Dorner is not an ex lapd officer on a rampage for what appears to be insufficient reasons to kill people. Let’s imagine he’s an ex special forces guy with many levels of training superior to that of Dorner’s who refuses to turn in his guns and decides to take his fight to those who try to disarm him.

At last count the media announced that the police have 100 officers working 12 hour shifts in a snowstorm with every asset made available to them by the feds. They have drones, helicopters, fixed wing assets and I’m sure satellite imagery. Have they found Dorner yet? No. Update: They have created a new multi jurisdictional joint task force responsible for tracking Dorner down.

“The nearly 10,000-member LAPD dispatched officers to protect more than 40 potential targets, including police officers and their families. The department also pulled officers from motorcycle duty, fearing they would make for easy targets.” exerpt found here.

Wow. All of this for just one guy.

Let’s now imagine that in stead of one special forces guy utilizing his skills let’s throw in a couple of vietnam vets and a couple of currently serving navy seals. Maybe they’re all working together maybe they’re not. What on earth is LAPD going to do now? Call out the National Guard? I sure wouldn’t want to be wearing a uniform with these guys on the loose.

All one has to do is imagine how terrible of a toll that will be exacted and how difficult it will be for the enforcers of unconstitutional and illegal orders to confiscate the public’s firearms.

Using basic math it’s not hard to envision the gun grabbers running out of live bodies quickly. Where are we? Oh yeah we have one special forces guy, two navy seals and two vietnam vets. Why not throw in one hundred armed citizens and a few sheriffs and their deputies. If it takes conservatively one hundred officers working around the clock and all of their little toys to catch just one guy that is resisting then I guess it would take around ten thousand (10,000) ground forces to deal with our one hundred+ (100+) man asymmetrically deployed army. How many police officers do we have in the US?

There are as of 2006, 683,396 full time state, city, university and college, metropolitan and non-metropolitan county, and other law enforcement officers in the United States. There are approx. 120,000 full time law enforcement personnel working for the federal government adding up to a total number of 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S.

That’s roughly how many people were slaughtered in Rowanda in 1994 when the Hutus attacked the Tutsis with machetes and over a period of four months killed 800,000 people. That’s machetes not rifles, shotguns and handguns.

Some who survived were obviously mentally and physically ruined for life.

I’ll bet this guy wanted a gun when they came to hack him up.

I know the good men and women serving in the military know exactly what it is like to get shot at. I’m not quite sure if the average police officer is aware of what it will be like when they start to take the guns. For a much better understanding of what it’s like to get shot at please see video below.

Warning very graphic: Video Here.

Ok back to our little gun confiscation scenario. According to the numbers we’ve already established it would take one hundred thousand (100,000) police to (search for?) ten thousand (10,000) guys waging war against the system.

200,000 police for 20,000 patriots.
400,000 police for 40,000 patriots.
800,000 police for 80,000 patriots.

And now we’re out of police. All used up trying to find 80,000 patriots. It gets worse for the gun confiscators. One half of their ranks will either not show up for duty, turn on their fellow officers or join the patriots.

What will the governments (federal, state, local) do now? Call in the military? They will run into the exact same problems exept now you’re not just dealing with 80,000 patriots in California you’re dealing with the entire population of the United States who love their country but literally hates their government (congress 9% approval rating).

The more I look at this scenario the more I like it. I guess the question you need to ask yourself as a police officer is “do I really want to do this? Am I that crazy?”

I’m sure the bullies, roid heads and thugs that are employed by the system will surely go along. “I’m just doing my job ma’am” but the majority of cops out there are good people that love this country and when it comes down to it will do the right thing. We know the members of the military will do the right thing because they take their oath very seriously.

9/11 Dude

January 3rd, 2013
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I have quietly watched and evaluated the in pouring of e-mails reference the liberal’s intent to seize guns and crush the second amendment. I want to add a few of my own thoughts on this issue as I have worked in and around all the people who could be tasked to seize your guns.


United Nations (UN)
We are the UN. Other countries mostly join the U.N. to secure money, funding and training and few have any offensive combat capability. Most serve as guards at static locations and have no will to fight. America is the enforcement arm of the U.N. We have the money, equipment, personnel and lift platforms to get the job done.

If the president ever let the U.N. in this country, it would be a foreign invasion and armed Americans would stand up and crush them in a day. Our government would break down and the president would be ousted for letting foreign militaries invade our country.

Federal Government Military
Having served over 20 years in our military, I know that most soldiers would refuse the order to take part in the confiscation of weapons. First, the president would have to give the order, which is an “Illegal Order” in violation of the constitution. I don’t believe that service members would go back into the communities that raised them and conduct raids on good Americans in violation of the constitution.

Remember, these forces would have to come from a military base that is surrounded and supported by American communities. Civilians would simply cease to support the bases and they would fold in a short time. Cut of the fuel, food, electricity on bases and this would stop the silliness. Also, many, many service members live in the communities and they would have to travel from their houses to base unless they were locked down. In that case, their families would still be in the community and people would not be too friendly to those supporting these actions.

Federal Government DHS or TSA
The Federal government is not large enough or talented enough to seize guns. If they were to do 5-8 raids a day seizing guns, they would be physically and mentally exhausted and need a break. Physically conducting raids is exhausting. After the first few raids, the word would get out and Americans would start to fight back. It would take one good ambush from a house or along a travel route to decimate a tactical force or make it combat ineffective

Next, most Federal Agencies work out of a fixed location centrally located in a community. Also, their personnel live in those communities along with their families. Once the word got out that they were doing raids in violation to the constitution, they and their families would be at risk. If they were to start raiding houses, kicking in doors and breaking in windows looking for legally owned guns, their homes would be subject to the same treatment by Americans rising up to defend themselves. They would shortly find themselves without a place to live.

State Law Enforcement
The Governor would have to order State and Local Law Enforcement to either:

* Seize guns
* Ignore the Federal Orders

If they ignore the Federal Orders, things would be tense, but people would be civil. If they started to seize guns, they only have limited people and assets to do this. Much the same consequences would take place as with the Federal Government.

Local Law Enforcement
Local Police and Sheriff Departments are the backbone of who protects American Citizens. A Sheriff or Chief of Police would have to give the order for his people to begin to seize weapons. Their people would either comply or see it as an illegal order and refuse.

Remember, Chiefs and Sheriff’s also have to live and work in the same communities they serve. As I described with the Federal Government, local Tactical Teams could probably only do 8-10 hits in a day and then need a break. So they hit ten houses and seize their guns, the word would get out and now they are subject to living in the same community as those they are attacking. It would not go well. Also, after one or two determined Americans or combat vets fought back, the team would lose many to death or injury and they would have made a decision whether to continue to push the fight. Remember also, they have to sleep sometime. Their homes and families would be at risk. It is an ugly scenario at best.

Nation of Combat Veterans and Patriots
Having been at war for over 10 years, we have a nation of combat vets and contractors that have seen more action than many of our WWII vets. It has been said that only a small percentage of Americans stood up to the British War machine in the Revolutionary War. Americans are better armed and trained today than at any time in our nation’s history. Think about what would happen if just our nation’s veterans stood up. People have been buying more guns and ammunition in the past five years than any time in my life. The guns and ammunition are out there along with the talent to use them.

Kool-Aid Drinkers
Kool-Aid Drinkers is the term I use to describe the Jonestown voluntarily massacre where the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project, a dedicated community western Guyana by the Peoples Temple led by cult leader Jim Jones intentionally drank poison Kool-Aid. Over 900 people died.

In every law enforcement, government and military agency or branch, there are a small number of Kool-Aid drinkers who would blindly follow orders. They would either be purged internally by their co-workers or people they attacked would stop their gene pool.

Also, at the police tactical team level, all members “volunteer” for the job and they can have the individual integrity to terminate their team service at any time if their profession becomes corrupt or misguided. I know many a good officer that has done that in the past.

Finally, there would be a certain number of American Kool-Aid drinkers that would turn in their weapons if asked. I believe it would be a small percentage as there are always those that do not have the will to resist or fight and they are not needed should thing get tough.

History of “Gun-Free Zones”
Our nation’s history is filled with examples of “gun-free” zones failed.

The Aurora Colorado movie massacre and the recent Connecticut shooting are two that come to mind. Also, remember the Fort Hood massacre where an Islamic extremist Major Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 soldiers because our military bases are gun free zones. Combat trained soldiers had to be rescued by a security guard. That is embarrassing.

Evil came to all of these places and everyone was disarmed and not ready to fight back because they were gun free zones.
Think what would happen at a national level if the American people were disarmed. Another evil would come along either from inside our country or outside of it and resulting in our downfall.

How about others in recent history:
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

Write your state representatives and let them know how you feel about this issue. I would like to think that most states would refuse the order.

Next, at the local level, talk to your Sheriff or Chief of Police and ask them if they would allow or support the federal government in their confiscation of firearms. Put them on the spot now and hold them accountable. I like to think that most states would refuse the order.

Should firearm confiscation begin, solutions are simple. If they cannot live in a community, they cannot work in a community. If their house goes away while they are at work confiscating guns, so be it. Allow them to leave with their family and what possessions they can pack in their car. Point them to California and let them know all the Hollywood types would be happy to financially support them in the fantasy land they wish to live in and that they are not welcome in Free America.

In the end I believe that guns are the glue that hold our country together. Guns keep the government in check and the individual American safe and free. Remove guns and the government will no longer be controlled by the people. The government will control the people.

Finally, it is claimed that the Battles of Lexington and Concord, in 1775 were started because General Gage attempted to carry out an order by the British government to disarm the population resulting in the “Shot heard round the world.”

About the Author
Paul R. Howe is a 20-year veteran and former Special Operations soldier and instructor. He owns Combat Shooting and Tactics (CSAT), where he consults with, trains and evaluates law enforcement and government agencies in technical and tactical techniques throughout the special operations spectrum. See www.combatshootingandtactics.com for details.


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1 response to What If There Were Two Christopher Dorners Running Amuck?

  1. Great post! I agree. This is why I have been telling people to have a plan. Dorner, I heard today is trapped in a mountain cabin only five miles were he burned his truck. He failed. As a viewer of “I almost got away with it.” He broke into a cabin while the police are searching cabins! Seven days, not he is trapped. Other ways people got caught, contacting family members, being turned in, driving on highways. Know to that I keep saying that cell phones are tracking devices, phone calls are listened to by NSA and emails by are read by NSA. Facebook provides intell on yourself. To be the patriots like in the pictures above, you need a plan, a plan that accounts for road blocks, drones, house to house searches, snitches and everything else the NWO has against us. If Dorner was thinking, he could have hiked down the mountain quietly while police searched the mountain like they did.

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